Still can’t find food cat will eat!

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Still can’t find food cat will eat!

Post by Raych1975 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:38 pm

Well some of you may know my cat has triaditis and is meabt to be onelimination diet. Long story short but she just doesn’t like any of the food she is meant to have. I have tried hydrolised, single novel protein, applaws, cannagan, u name it nope!!
Vet agreed to let her have what she used to just so she enjoys some food which was gourmet pate/melting hearts etc. Reluctantly given her some but although she ate a bit, she now won’t touch it!
I am at a loss of what to do for her. She wont eat fresh food, am not doing raw and she is and other cat have gone soooo fussy.
I think i’m just venting as i just don’t know what else to try! She literally stands and looks at me,miaows, prowls bowls but wont eat!
At this rate i’d even try felix!! Never have given it, just saying!

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Post by Felis-Felidae » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:43 pm

Goodness, vent away! I can only imagine how exhausted you are.

Will she absolutely refuse all food for an entire day or (and pardon me if this is a stupid question) will she deign to touch food she's refused before once she gets hungry enough and your eyes aren't on her?

Because I have one cat who pretends she doesn't like anything I serve if I'm watching her eat it. I've since learned to leave out her food at night or when I'm in my study.

That way she can continue to stand on her high horse and pretend she wasn't willing to lower herself enough to eat whatever sorry offering the idiot hooman gave her. lol

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Re: Still can’t find food cat will eat!

Post by Raych1975 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:08 pm

Cats are just so cunning and clever lol
Hmmm tricky to answer as i get that desperate for them both to eat, especially the poorly one, its been known that literally stand there with various wet food open just stood in despair praying they eat! Which clearly wont help! I’m sure i’m slowly losing my marbles!!!
I sometimes leave wet down overnight and sometimes bits get eaten but it goes hard and yukky if not fresh.

I just tried a pouch from blink tonight, point blank refusal from both and they both looked at me, scratched aroound it as if it was their poo and ran out catflap!!!

I threw it in bin!

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Post by Raych1975 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:11 pm

I think i need something very wet but not shredded or big chunks, possibly something in gravy or sauce? Any suggestions?

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Re: Still can’t find food cat will eat!

Post by Mollycat » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:02 pm

"At this rate you'll even try Felix" - why not? Good as it looks is flakes which some cats who won't eat chunks will happily eat, you can add a little water and mush it up if needed. It's not a bad food, and has a higher protein content than most cheap and cheerful brands.

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Post by Raych1975 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:57 pm

Hi mollycat, i may have to try it if i just can’t get themto eat anything good quality.. even consultant Said tonight that it may well be she has to eat something like felix and stay on meds, far from ideal but he pointed out again that every cat is different and text book plans dont always work.
I have a cat sitter who has a few cats and they all get felix with minimal dry food and they are all in great health!! Is it really that bad a food?

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Post by Mollycat » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:29 am

Raych, I've been there, many of us have, agonising over the best nutrition and reading too much about the evils of dry and the terrible quality of supermarket brands, that all carbs are the work of the devil and how anything but raw amounts to slow murder.

A cat's natural lifespan is not much more than 12 years, in our care many of them now stay healthy well into their teens. 50 years ago they got scraps and nobody had ever heard of taurine and they got bones, raw or cooked. None of it was nutritionally balanced and yet somehow cats survived, as do the restaurant beggars all over Asia, Africa, the Middle East and the Mediterranean. What's more in the 9000 years cats have been our friends their gut has adapted to cooked food and more carbs than they would ever have seen in the wild. Prepared foods at least provide the minimum basic needs.

Beyond that, there are some differences in quality but the most important thing is something our companions will eat and that provides the basics they need and that doesn't make them ill or turn mealtimes into daily stressy battles.

It may be (or may not, nothing has been proved yet) that fish flavoured foods may be a factor in the very steep rise in hyperthyroidism; exclusively dry diets have been linked to obesity and diabetes as well as UTIs; and some cats don't tolerate dairy or grains. Raw feeding won't prevent kidney disease, dry food doesn't stop dental decay, and expensive food doesn't always mean better nutrition or health. Stress can trigger UTIs and lack of exercise (as in indoor cats) is a big factor in heart disease and diabetes.

I don't believe Felix is that bad, there are certainly a lot worse out there that cats can be healthy on their whole lives.

When it comes to cats with health issues, many do benefit from special diets, but not if they hate their food and everything about food becomes the subject of stress for us - cats pick up our emotional states and our stress is bad for them too. Feed them something decent and they may only lick off the jelly or gravy and probably not get balanced nutrition anyway. Focus on finding a food he will eat and that you can find readily and is affordable. It might not be helpful to him to keep changing his food, and as inflammation tends to be chronic he will likely experience flare-ups and periods of normality. Triaditis can even be a one-off, as nobody knows what really causes it or even which of the three organs sets it all off. Many of these chronic conditions, in cats as they are with us, are stress-related.

Don't turn food into a war zone or your full-time obsession. A happy home, cuddles and calm are the best place to start.

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Post by booktigger » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:15 am

Honestly, if you look at the ingredients, Felix and Gourmet arent that different, we just think Gourmet is due to the name and their marketing. If she likes Pate type, Felix do one called Meaty Loaf, which is pate type with chunks in pouches. Have you tried Mon Petit which seems different to Gourmet pouches?

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Post by fjm » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:04 am

When Poppy was really ill with acute liver failure in January she stopped eating - everything made her nauseous and she refused food she had been eating with gusto up to then. Once she began to feel better it got easier, but she still refused the prescribed hepatic diet which she associated with feeling queasy. My vet suggested feeding her some of the home-prepared oat and chicken diet she did enjoy, and offering the hepatic food next to it. A week later she was happily eating both, and has been eating canned-plus-chicken ever since. At this stage with your cat I agree with the others - if it is not outright toxic feed her whatever she will eat, and worry about improving the quality later. Once she gets the eating habit back it is easy to add a little high-quality protein, and she may even decide the vet-recommended food is edible after all.

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Post by Raych1975 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:00 pm

Thanks all, some very helpful comments and support.
I know gourmet is the same level as felix etc sorry i probably didn’t explain that bit well.
As she has been eating lots of grass and bringing it back up over the last week or so, vet has now told me to taper down the antacids (omeprazole) as sometimes they can cause nausea. I have to increase the steroids though ....

She has eaten a bit of hills zd dry that came last night and she is actually going to see consultant tomorrow as i still think there may be something going on in her mouth/tongue as keeps sticking tongue out when she does eat! I’ve been telling vets this since march!

I feel sorry for my other cat too, having to eat the hills zd too. Im debating getting microchip cat feeders so at least the well one can eat different food... been told they both can eat zd though.

I have calmed down a lot compared to a few weeks ago and omg to not have to pill her this morning was a true lovely feeling (would have been antacid)

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Post by Mollycat » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:47 pm

Microchip feeders are a godsend, I know it's a big outlay for two but we never looked back and would still always use it even if my now one cat was the only animal in the household (also have a dog). It helps keep the food fresh so it can be put down and left down all day even in the heat. Just be sure to write their names in indelible marker or attach a tag though, so you know which is which even when the removable coloured mats are removed, and always put them in the same position so the cats don't get confused. Lesson learned the hard way. I put them down the wrong way around. Inquisitive Molly eventually got into hers but poor Boo who was at the back of the queue when the brains were handed out just didn't eat until I realised what I'd done.

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Post by Raych1975 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:07 pm

Thanks for the tips mollycat, was it easy to train the cats to use them?
I think i will get the Sureflap hub one so i can see whats happening when i’m not working at home anymore.

Your post earlier really helped, thank you. You have said some things that are so honest and good points, especially regarding they may just lick gravy jelly off good food but leave the rest, so not getting the nutrition.

Both cats are sat next to me on either side curled up snoring away!

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Re: Still can’t find food cat will eat!

Post by Mollycat » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:14 pm

Very easy to teach. they have staged settings so the cats can get used to the noise it makes gradually. Clever but nervous Molly got it in hours and cool but thick Boo took a little longer to understand what he needed to do but I'm pretty sure it was all done in a day, maybe two but I think one. First you leave it open and give treats so they get used to putting their head inside the hoop and to programme the chip. Then the next stage it makes a short sound but doesn't move. Then it closes a tiny bit, then halfway, then all the way. You can set how long it stays open after they take their head out.

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