Is this a normal reaction to sudden shock? Of course something weird happened again, sorry

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We've had a few weeks of relative peace with everyone, sure Spaska still harasses Mila but nowhere near as bad as it was, they're more or less back to being alright, they even eat together from the same bowl without issues again. Mila has less tolerance than the other cats for Spaska's shenanigans but other than that it's fine.

This morning Spaska was chasing Mila around when a sudden, very loud noise form the neighbors shocked both. Spaska ran off into hiding while Mila stopped, dropped, kicked around for a split second and lay there motionless. I thought she had gotten a heart attack and died. Shaken up I pick her up, she is still alive but very sluggish, barely moves, I set her on the floor, she walks a few steps, then topples over again. There was quite a lot of drool in the spot where she initially fell down.

After that she got up, slowly went to check on Spaska and they both went to eat together, Mila ate a ton and is resting now, she is alert and acts like nothing happened.

So...what happened?
Sorry guys weird stuff keeps happening to Mila, I just don't know anymore.
Mila's fine now, hope this doesn't escalate again.


In other news her plaque pretty much fully cleared up, she hasn't had stomatitis issues or anything, she eats a lot, is fairly active, she has to be with Spaska and overall is in a good mood.
I've just never experienced something like this before.
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sounds very much like the sudden noise triggered a fit, which hopefully was a one-off

check out Feline Audiogenic Reflex Seizures
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Thank! I knew asking here would result in helpful info :)
I think this was it, moreso I think Mila has had FARS since the heatstroke.

The third type of FARS according to this article:
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Absence seizures
The third type of seizure is called an absence seizure (sometimes called a petit mal seizure). With this seizure, cats may simply lose awareness of their surroundings for up to 20 seconds or so. The may stare vacantly into space and not respond. Absence seizures were only occasionally seen in the FARS study, but they can also be difficult to spot at times.
I kept telling my vet about this and kept noticing it in her ever since the heatstroke this summer and as per usual everyone ignores me, except of course my family who see it too and now this explains why it's been happening.

This coupled with what happened this morning I think it is safe to say this is FARS

not that vets here or any vets would acknowledge this, anything newer than what they've learned at vet college which as per usual Macedonian standards has outdated info they tend to disagree with/ignore.
But I am glad to know what might be the cause of this.

Thanks

Man that heatstroke really messed poor Mila up
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It happened again :( I can't catch a break
just when I think all is well for several weeks something happens to Mila, I had just started work on a new project, every time I start work it happens.

So as per usual Spaska was harassing Mila, she woke her up and chased her around, then Mila fell over and Spaska jumped on her neck.
My mom picked Mila up because she noticed she was completely out of it, she was completely limp, blinking with her eyes but otherwise motionless and she was like that for a good 20-30 seconds I dunno how long it was.
My mom thought she had died but noticed her eyes were following her and she was blinking.

Mila may only be 7.5 years old but she can't take Spaska's high energy chasing and harassment anymore even if she doesn't get overly stressed nowadays. This was horrifying, Mila's heart was racing, I could feel her heart pounding throughout her entire body :(
Man everything was fine, for once I wasn't stressed over Spaska chasing Mila like that and then this happens.
I wouldn't want to nor do I have anywhere to re-home Spaska, she is a wonderful kitten too in her own way but at this rate she might literally Kill Mila.

I don't think this is just a defense mechanism
it seems to me there's more going on since it takes so long to bring her out of it and the way her heart was racing and pounding was awful.

MIGHT be FARS
but they tense up not loosen up when that happens, right?

Google is USELESS
there's no info on this
there's info on seizures but they all say the cats get stiff, not completely numb/limp/loose/relaxed
I can't even find words anymore to describe it
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I've been reading all night, even watched a youtube video.
It seems we're dealing with what is known as acute collapse in cats.
It can get triggered by irregular heart rate, arrhythmia or tachycardia I'm going to butcher the spelling on each and everyone of those but I don't care.

So basically as long as Mila performs tasks that increase her heartrate like in this case play fighting with Spaska or trying to get away from Spaska, we're running the risk of her dying on the spot.

https://wagwalking.com/cat/condition/acute-collapse
Acute collapse is a rare but serious symptom in cats that occurs when a cat becomes suddenly weak and faints or collapses. This is not the same thing as lying down; acute collapse is similar to a person passing out, and is characterized by weakness and disorientation. Collapse may also be preceded by vomiting, diarrhea, or panting. In most cases, cats will collapse for one minute or less and may return to normal quickly. However, it is unwise to delay treatment based on this fact, as acute collapse may be a sign of a serious condition and can also cause sudden death.
Out of the listed symptoms Mila only had
Weakness or unsteadiness
Signs of anxiety and/or confusion

Would anyone form here be willing to adopt Spaska? It costs 100 euros for the adoption process
at least to re-home her temporarily because she won't stop chasing Mila and Mila's heart clearly can't take that type of activity
We've been trying to find a potential home for her locally to no avail

there is an agency that specializes in adopting kittens out to the UK from Macedonia
I'm sure we can arrange an at least temporary re-homing
I dunno
I don't know what else to think

the way Mila just collapsed there
my mom picking her up all motionless like that calling out to her as if to bring her back form somewhere far away
I don't ever want to see that again it was so sad for both of them and they love each other so much too :(

This is too much man
I tried keeping my sanity in check for months but I'm going to spiral down some kinda depression hole at this point
What happened tonight was so sad

like guys, every time things are looking up
I feel happy, relaxed, every single time ever since I adopted Spaska things have been knocking me back down
Granted it's all related to Mila and her health issues but still.

I'm sorry about all this
I don't know where else to talk about this
we're going through some heavy stuff here with poor Mila

Don't get me wrong, we adore Spaska, she is so affectionate and loving when she feels like it
I love her so much, but look at what's happening between Mila and her, even tho Spaska is just playing Mila can't seem to handle it properly.
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i wish I could help, but my golden oldie wouldn't cope with a young cat in the house.

I'm sure this has been checked but I'm going to mention it anyway, has Milla's heart been checked out, has she has her blood pressure taken, and has she had her blood glucose levels taken, all of which could lead to the symptoms you describe. Talk to your vet and tell him the symptoms and what her heart rate gets up to during the attack and how quickly it comes back down. There may be medication that can help with any underlying condition that is causing the attacks, or that can be given when she has one to help her recover from it. i hate to have to say this, but while Spaska might be the trigger for the attacks, I'm not sure she is the true problem, and the attacks are something that Milla would have started to have anyway. It could be that Spaska is a blessing in disguise and is giving you time to realise that Milla has some condition that causes these attacks and is giving you chance to investigate and work out a treatment plan while you can control the trigger to an extent. I really hope your vet can help.
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Thank you so much Ruth, sorry im being so annoying with this everyone.

Mila's heart was last checked on August 21st, so a month before this first happened, detailed bloodwork was done and she was doing great. The vet warned us that the heatstroke could leave lasting damage on her heart and lungs and it seems it did even tho it wasn't showing in bloodwork at the time.
Spaska may not be cause of this, but she can and has triggered it twice so far, guess the neighbor's loud noise wasn't the issue last time either but it was all the running around.
Controlling Spaska isn't as simple, it's a matter of seconds before she sends one of the adult cats running and any sudden excitement or shock could trigger this in Mila now, that's what worries me.

I'm going to ask for detailed bloodwork and all that again of course, but I know the vets are just going to tell me to get rid of Spaska :(
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Just talked to one of our vets over the phone, the mom vet who is/was a professor at vet school here
According to her it is an acute collapse but given Mila's history she believes it has more to do with loss of air as she runs and gets excited, plus Spaska jumping on her neck than her heart, however she is going to send us to a highly advanced vet clinic to have all sorts of checks done including x-rays to ensure it's not as bad as it sounds.
So now we have to wait for an appointment at that clinic.

Bottom line is, no running around or excitement for Mila
the son vet said the same months ago

Mila isn't the most calm cat either, she sometimes runs around and plays on her own, tho she has been a lot more calm after the heatstroke

EDIT: We have an appointment for tomorrow morning if all is well
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Brilliant news, hopefully the new clinic can find the actual cause of the problem and suggest a way to treat it.

As for getting rid of Spaska, it isn't like you haven't tried to find an alternative home, you just haven't been able to find one you think is suitable. If the vet really thinks she should be rehomed, maybe they should be trying to find one as well, maybe it is UK thinking, but just dumping a kitten on the street is no type of answer for anyone, certainly not a vet.

Fingers and paws crossed for a good result tomorrow, and I certainly don't mind you coming here about Spaska, Milla or the others, sometimes it is good to talk even if we can't do much to help really.
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I'm so glad you have an appointment with the specialist so soon - Mila's attacks sound very frightening, but the more you know the easier it becomes to make a decision that is fair to everyone.
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Dumping Spaska out on the street is not an option, not even remotely.
But it's clear she harasses Mila more so than the other cats and the harassment doesn't stop. Sure Spaska is just playing but it's more than Mila can and should handle when her heart starts racing so much and this stuff happens.

As for Macedonian vs UK culture when it comes to releasing cats outside.
Here we have so many strays living on the streets it's kind of the "default" to assume that a cat would be fine outside.
My friend takes care of strays and has been for years, many people do that, usually people when they find small kittens like we did with Spaska take them in for a few weeks, give them a fighting chance at life and then release them outside near the neighborhood's cat colonies.

My friend is in the process of re-intruding a kitten to the outside world now after having taken her in due to some bad rain.

We don't consider euthanasia humane for stray dogs or cats
what the city used to do with stray dogs would be to take them off the streets, get them fixed, then release them back where they found them with a yellow tag on their ears to indicate the dog has been neutered or spayed

Here's Suzie, the kitten my friend is re-introducing to the outside world now
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Here she is being checked over by the other kittens in the colony
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These are some kittens in my neighborhood
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Spaska is too old to be released now
but if I didn't have a more 1st world mindset I would have probably released her at around 6 weeks in our neighborhood's cat

Spaska and Mila are VERY comfortable around each other, they're next to one another right now as I type this, both purring
it's just Mila shouldn't be running around and getting excited like this, it could kill her probably
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Danny took Suzie back home
he is introducing her to the outside world for several hours at a time completely supervised
today she was about for 3.5 hours mingling with the other cats and kittens there.

Some older guy brought a 4 month old kitten there today saying he couldn't take care of it anymore, his cat had it apparently.
He was talking about how back in the day he'd just put the kittens in a sack and drown them before they are aware of what's going on but he thought he could keep this one but he is too old to do so.
Why haven't you gotten your female cat fixed them you old geezer? Why is getting cats spayed or neutered such a big deal to people here that they'd rather murder kittens than have a cat fixed?

I've told this story before, but I had a professor who got upset with me for having all my cats fixed, apparently he considered it unnatural and animal abuse.
Yet beating and hitting cats the way many discipline them here, that's ok.

Either way, Mila is fine today but Spaska is in one of those moods where she targets Mila the most
I've noticed that the more separate we keep them the more Spaska goes crazy when she sees Mila and starts play fighting her and what not, even if they can see each other through a door.
I dunno if they'll find anything tomorrow or not.

There's no way to control Spaska not to play fight with the other cats, it's a matter of seconds
like earlier, Kala was just wobbling around all slow like when Spaska jumped on her grabbing her by the neck going for the "kill", she brought Kala down like prey, it was awesome, such precision, of course Kala just shook her off, hissed and moved on as if nothing had happened.

btw Suzie is way worse than Spaska in terms of hyperactivity, she climbs curtains and what not it's crazy
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I'm sure you must have said this so please forgive me for asking but how do you know Mila's heart rate goes up and comes back down? Have you been able to check her actual pulse rate? Because 200 is quite normal for an elevated pulse due to stress or excitement, even white coat syndrome ie apparently resting heart rate raised simply by being at the vets. Their heart rate as well as their temperature is higher than ours. Also having always been an indoor cat, Mila's heart won't have developed with the same tolerance as an outdoor cat. Her world has always been very safe and nothing much has excited or stressed her, not on the same scale as a feral cat that deals with dangers and challenges all the time.

Secondly, is Spaska really a hyperactive or abnormal kitten? I know it's been a very long time since I last had a kitten,, and i have never brought one into a house with resident adults, but the level of energy and activity you describe sounds a lot like I remember my last kitten.

You may have come across this in your research but I found it quite useful https://catvets.com/public/PDFs/Practic ... iorGLS.pdf. Aimed at veterinary practitioners, it grabbed my attention with the observation that "Understanding normal behavior helps prevent problems—Many behavior concerns expressed by clients involve normal cat behavior that the client finds unacceptable" and it goes on to claim that behavioural issues are a significant reason for euthanasia. The sections on litter and stress might be of particular interest. I have a feeling I'm likely to refer to this document quite a lot in future!
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As I've said many times
Spaska's behavior is perfectly normal for a non persian kitten, she is very well behaved.
the only problem us humans had with her was her inability to regulate her biting which is now finally slowly sorting out, it probably took her longer than usual due to being abandoned at less than 3 weeks.
She is hyperactive, which as again I said many times is a nonissue for me, it's a problem for Mila and from the start it has been a problem for Mila.
From bothering the other cats in the litterbox, which is also slooowly getting better, to jumping on their necks which again is normal behavior, Mila doesn't like it, gets overly upset/excited and well, as it happens she faints form it now.

Kala and Casper have no problems with Spaska's hyperactivity
Mila raised 4 persian kittens, none were like this lol

There's a huge difference in breeds, hence my First time cat owner, long time persian owner topic.
Again I have no issues with Spaska's hyperactivity, but Mila does.
Danny's Suzie is climbing curtains and what not so that's way worse.

The problem is, Spaska likes to harass Mila the most, it's all playful to Spaska but Mila likes to be left alone.
She has no problem gently playing with Spaska but when she faints from running around too much, clearly something isn't right with her, has nothing to do with poor Spaska, it's just that if not for Spaska Mila wouldn't be running so much.
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Back from the vets
So far, things are looking good, we're now waiting on her bloodwork later today.

For the moment her heart is excellent and so are her lungs tho they do show signs of calcification/damage from prior issues and the heatstroke. They can't do MRI's and such to check her brain apparently they only do that abroad.
Both the vet at the clinic and mine believe Mila's life is not in danger from the fainting, there's a chance the fainting is due to her blood condition, low white blood cell count and low thrombocyte count and even tho there was improvement she still has 3-4 more months of therapy to go through for that.
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OK let me re-word this post now that I calmed down a bit

The vet's results are in and it's not very good
Her white blood cell count is extremely low again, her blood sugar levels elevated, theyr'e at 11
the other numbers we forgot due to stress.

Her heart is excellent
Lungs show sigs of previous illnesses but otherwise work great
Kidneys, liver, heart, lungs, everything is in excellent condition

She definitely faints/collapses like this when under stress or overly excited due to the low white blood cell count
last time it was 100, now it's like 33 or something which is insanely low
She was tested for PIP, PfelV, FIV and she is negative to all three, so no issues there.

My vet suspects diabetes but good luck getting Mila to eat special diabetes food
With 4 cats in the house this is going to be a nightmare, especially because all 4 are used to free feeding and if there's no food in their food bowls they get very upset. All 4 of them, there's no food, they freak the **** out even tho they've just eaten. Even Spaska learned this behavior.
On the other hand the vet says her blood sure levels aren't THAT high, they're at 11 atm, but that alone sin't enough to diagnose diapetes or start therapy.
She suggested Vitamin B12 for starters and to go form there.


Mila doesn't have excessive urination, she goes twice a day, regular sized pee clumps no issues there.
She doesn't drink water excessively either
she eats a tad more because there's kitten food available which she goes crazy for but that's about it.
No weight loss either she has been a steady 3Kg 100g all her life and we weigh her once every 3 weeks or so and that number hasn't gone down once.
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Ok, again I'm no expert but there is something mentioned here I may be able to give some advice on. I'm diabetic myself, I had a diabetic cat for several months as at the time we could not work out the timing for insulin treatment, and my parents had on on insulin for many years.

When Katie developed diabetes, we first noticed it when i realised she was drinking from my glass of blackcurrent squash, an amusing little quirk for many cats to drink from their owner mugs or glass, for me it is now a warning sign to get their bloods done just in case. I can not remember Katie's numbers, but she was quite a long way down the general symptom list, she had lost a lot of weight, and was drinking constantly, and drinking whatever she could get her head into. We discussed it with the vet and the only option for treatment was insulin injections. She would have to have her breakfast at a set time, then her insulin several hours afterwards and then her second meal several hours after that. As my husband was working odd shifts the breakfast and the insulin injection could be done, but i would be getting in from work just as she needed her next meal, if the bus was late then I would be late getting in and even if i was on time there was the risk of her being in a coma when I got home. I decided I could not take that, so with the vet's blessing we decided not to treat her, it was estimated she would have another 6 months without any treatment. She managed 9 months, no special diet, no medication, just love, and it was only on her last day she stopped enjoying life. We gave it the best we could and called it a day.

My parents were retired when Tufty, their cat was diagnosed with diabetes. One weekend she collapsed and was rushed to the vets as an emergency, they weren't sure she would make it through the night she was so far gone. She did, and the blood tests showed the problem instantly, her blood sugar was sky high, and an insulin injection did the trick, when my parents went to the vets the next morning, she seemed as if nothing was wrong. Unfortunately it meant she was now on insulin twice a day for the rest of her life and it had to be done at roughly 12 hourly intervals (things had moved on since Katie had been diagnosed), but they had their cat back and affording it wasn't a problem for them. They did soon realise just how tying a diabetic cat was, they had to plan everything around her injections, made worse by the fact that neither I nor my sister lived close enough to help out much. Two specific instances come to mind. A week before my father died my husband and i had been down for a visit, we were just waiting for the nurse to leave so we could say good bye as we had a 2 hour drive home. The nurse however was concerned and ended up calling an ambulance and he was rushed into hospital. My Mother got all his things ready, and then said she couldn't go with him as she would have no way back to give Tufty her injection. She was fully prepared to let my Father go to hospital, possibly not to return, without her, as if she went she would be returning to a dead cat. Of course, we were there and my husband was more than happy for us all to go to the hospital and then he would run her home to inject the cat while i stayed with my Father and then bring her back and pick me up. Another time, after my Father had died, she was rushed into hospital herself with DVT, they wanted to keep her in to make sure the medication was working, she refused as she had to get back to give Tufty her injection, once again she put the cats well being before her own, but that was the way she was. Insulin, syringes, testing meter and strips, it all adds up as well keeping a diabetic cat is expensive here, I've no idea what it is like where you are. This isn't meant to put you off going down the insulin route if the vet suggests it, but it is to warn you and to give you time to make arrangement for what might be needed before the event occurs. My parents had friends that lived close, and one of them would have been happy to do the injections if they had been taught how, or worst case scenario, they would have taken her to the vets to be kept their overnight while my Mother was in hospital, but such things had never been put in place.

However what I will add is that neither Tufty nor Katie had any special food. My parents did a lot of research online and found out that the main thing with a diabetic cat is to have a lot of animal protein in their diet. Tufty ended up with a meal of fresh chicken every day to help her out and I believe that may have done as much good as any type of expensive special food. If Milla likes raw or cooked meat that might be the better option and certainly won't do the rest any harm and will mean you don't need to worry about them eating each others food, Tufty always grazed on dried food as well and never seemed to suffer from it.

On to other things, from what i know and not knowing the units the reading was taken in, 11 doesn't sound too bad, assuming I am thinking of the correct units (and that he didn't specify it being a percentage which is the other main option) then I think 4 to 7 is the optimum range, with anything in the teens or above being viewed as undesirable, but readings into the 20s and 30s are possible. Stress is known to spike blood sugar as it is the body's way of providing for the exertion it things it might have to do, diabetics just can't cope well with this influx of sugar to the blood stream. I don't know if you would be able to get a testing meter yourself and test her at home when she is quiet and relaxed and when she is stressed out by Spaska, doing it relaxed can be tricky as you do have to do a pin prick into the ear to draw a drop of blood out (i do the same test on my finger ends most mornings just to keep an eye on things) You would also need to note when she had her last meal if you know it, but it is the type of testing that can give a good picture of what is happening with her blood glucose level.

The other thing to mention is that high sugar levels can effect the arteries and veins and damage them, the white blood cells can then be attracted to the damaged area which can lower the white blood count in general. The pancreas is also what produces the insulin, and it is known that problems there can lower the white blood cell count, so it could be that everything is interlinked.

Sorry this ended up as such a long post, but I remember just how hard it hit me when Katie and then when I was diagnosed with diabetes, i'm hoping that if you take you time to wade through all this then it might give you some hope for the future and know that if she is diagnosed with diabetes it isn't the end of the world whatever you decided to do treatment wise.
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My grandpa on my dad's side would take insulin twice a day, he'd just go to the clinic for his shots each day, it was like 5 minutes away form their house.
I don't think we could plan meals and stuff, but I don't think I'd have a problem taking Mila to the vets once or twice a day for her shots, it would be like walking a dog since my vets are a pleasant 10-15 minute walk from my building, I could use the exercise.
As long as we don't have to administer the injection ourselves going to the vets do it would be a non issue.
I have another vet who is also within the same walking distance on the opposite side too.

EDIT: I just remember the pet shop I buy food from also doubles as a vet clinic for quick things like this, so there's that too.

As long as we don't have to schedule meals, I think we can easily manage insulin injections regularly
thank god I work from home and don't intend to change that, not the type of guy who goes on vacations and stuff either.
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My parents always did Tufty's injections themselves and never had a problem do them. She seemed to realise they helped her and would go and sit on the bed when it was time for them to be done, there were times when my parents were watching something on TV and would decide to do it a bit late, 20 or 30 minutes so well with in the window for the injection, and Tufty would come and find them as if to remind them it needed doing. So i'm not sure, but it could be that you could learn to do Milla's if its decided she needs them. But then again I know in the UK people with diabetes have been giving themselves insulin injections for years, there was a girl when I was at school almost 4 decade ago and i remember her having to give herself an insulin injection each day.
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yeah people here do it themselves too, some prefer going to the doctors if they're nearby.
if it doesn't require good eyesight I could probably learn to do it
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What we know so far:

- Mila has low white blood cells, well below what they should be. Her thrombocytes were also very low, but due to stress my mom couldn't remember what the vet said over the phone about them now.
- She started taking IMMUNOXANTIN on August 6th for this, showed great progress but now it seems her WBC count has dropped again, she is still on this therapy and will be for the foreseeable future
https://www.vetapro.net/en/immunoxantin-2/
- FIP, FelV and FIV have been ruled out, the vets did tests for all three on the 6th of August.
- Faints from excitement/running around, she recovers after 30 or so seconds give or take and acts as if nothing had happened, goes to eat afterwards both times it happened
- Has good apetite
- Drinks well
- Has a steady weight of 3100g 3kg and 100g as she always has
- Goes to the bathroom normally and has been since early/mid august when she started her urso cat or whatever therapy or was it urso vet I dunno, either way she is not on that anymore
- Vet suspects Diabetes, but she is going to do another bloodwork in 2-3 days first thing in the morning, the son vet just had a baby today(congrats :) ) so maybe it'll take a few more days but they're going to do it to see what her glucose levels would be when she hasn't eaten anything. Today they were at 11 and supposedly 4-6.6 or as Ruth said 7 is the norm.
- Mila also had Stomatitis but that got sorted out
- Heart, lung, trachea, liver, kidneys are all in excellent condition, well her lungs less so due to scars form previous illnesses and the heatstroke but overall they're great.

Suspected causes for all this mess:
- The heatstroke she suffered on June 29th which almost killed her

MY PERSONAL Opinion:
- All this is a combination of the heatstroke taking a toll on her immune system and the plaque she has on her teeth. The plaque was cleared up a bit but it's still there and even the smallest of amounts can and sometimes makes a cat's immune system go haywire.

This has been going on since July
if it was cancer or something Mila would have been over the rainbow by now if I'm not mistaken


EDIT:
Maybe it is cancer, heck if I know anymore, this sounds pretty similar.

Bone marrow: If the cancer were confined to the bone marrow, we would call this leukemia. The signs that we see in cats are usually related to the decreased numbers of normal cells (such as red blood cells that carry oxygen, white blood cells that fight infection and platelets that help with clotting) which are made in the bone marrow. Anemia, infections and bleeding are common problems.
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Re: Is this a normal reaction to sudden shock? Of course something weird happened again, sorry

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Just a quick update if it's not a problem.

Mila shows no signs of being unwell inspite of her bloodwork being off.
My aunt who is a human doctor says low platelet counts can also be a lab error due to automatic counting of the platelets and after she examined Mila's bloodwork and previous bloodwork history she believes it to be an error too, yes her platelets but she doubts it's that low. Of course my aunt is a human doctor but she has had this same thing happened at her job so many times over the years she believes that is the case.
I did some more reading and found a site that said the same thing online.

I consulted with a vet on this gaming forum I go to, he examined Mila's latest bloodwork and previous bloodwork done since July and concluded that it's most likely just her fighting an infection, probably her gums/teeth so my vets agreed to put her under and clean her teeth, tho they don't believe any need to be extracted even tho the vet I talked to online says two are pretty bad if that pic from August is any indication.

Mila has been acting all 100% normal, eats well, regular level of activity and she hasn't dropped an ounce, she is still her usual 3100g or 3kg and 100g.
Still when Spaska is hyper I put Mila away so she isn't tempted to run because the vets recommended strict rest due to her bloodwork.
Once her WBC and thrombocyte/platelet counts improve, assuming they do they're going to put her under anesthesia for detailed dental analyzes.
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Spaska gently grooming Mila in this video
as you can see when Spaska isn't hyper everyone loves her :)
https://youtu.be/manK1MKNJZE

We just need to make sure Mila doesn't run around too much and separate them when possible if Spaska is too hyper
I hope all is well

My vets do think Mila's bloodwork situation is serious but they hope/believe it's reversible
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My cat's blood work came out with the same platelet issue. The vet clarified that their machine always seems to say that, whether they have a platelet issue or not. Something to do with the size of platelets.
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Thanks! That means a lot :)
I hope it really is a machine error
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That video is gorgeous, they obviously have a strong bond, at least when Spaska isn't being a rampaging kitten.

A quick look in a cats mouth while they are awake can not tell a vet anywhere near as much as a full check up while the cat is anesthetised, in a way i do hope the vet can find some thing wrong with the teeth while doing the clean as that may answer a lot of questions. As I have mentioned on other threads, Blue, our Ragdoll, actually had his kidneys recover after having his bad teeth removed, a bad infection can play havoc with other organs as well as it puts a strain on the whole system.

All fingers and paws crossed here that this is the end of Millas problems and she and Spaska can lead a happy life together.
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