Kidney disease and diet

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Re: Kidney disease and diet

Post by kernel23 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:41 pm

hello guys,
sorry to hijack this thread, but google brought me here while trying to find info on Ipaketine (not really easily found), which i see some of you have used. My question is, the bottle states giving 1g per 5kg of body weight twice a day mixed with food, what if your cat has 5 smaller meals instead of one morning / one evening, is ipakitine working for a specific period or does it have to be mixed with all meals given ? My cat will only eat around 40g food at a time, so for the moment i give him 1g in the morning with 40g of food, then i feed him other things suitable for CKD (which he doesn't really like) and then feed him the powder with another 40g of food in the evening. Problem is he is asking for more canned food 4 hours and 8 hours after his morning meal, is the ipakitine working as medicine and taking it morning and evening make it ok to feed the non-renal food during the rest of the hours of the day ? or does it have to be added to the specific meal he is eating each time he is eating one ? My vet and never heard of it so couldn't get any info that way..
Any help will be appreciated, my cat has lost half his weight during the last 3 months I've been trying to give him renal food and only recently heard about ipakitine and ordered it online..
Kind Regards

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Re: Kidney disease and diet

Post by Jan » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:02 pm

As Blackie eats smallish meals during the day I just spread the amount to make up the recommended daily amount. He won't eat renal food and in any case, our vet told me as long as he had Ipakitine over his food he could eat his normal diet. We have used Ipakitine for 4 years now and Blackie seems much as he ever was - only older.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Kidney disease and diet

Post by kernel23 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:10 pm

Thank you Jan, you did shed some light on how to use it, ill also spread it between his meals throughout the day..

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Re: Kidney disease and diet

Post by Mollycat » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:21 pm

I lost my soul-mate cat to renal failure in the days when options were extremely limited and now have another in borderline CKD, both diagnosed early.

The first had another 8 years with us despite limited options. Basically we could have Hills k/d dry or Whiskas tinned, and she refused Whiskas. So don't panic if they will only eat dry, it's not a death sentence. Also, the only diagnosis was a urine sample, a very distressing process and one we did not want to repeat. After a while we were offered Fortekor, but I refused it - she was doing well on the diet and the damage to her quality of life and our close bond from forcing a tablet down her throat every day was simply not acceptable. Don't be afraid to turn down treatment if it's not right for you and do not feel guilty.

The current one is also doing well on k/d but has a delicate tummy and I have been forced to stop giving him the pouches. Frequent bouts of diarrhoea, antibiotics and vitmain B injections may be no better than going with the flow and letting him eat nothing but biscuits. His levels have all come down to borderline normal and he is 14 and healthy.

The two most important pieces of advice I ever got for renal failure:

1. (from my first cat's vet) - can I give her treats? Answer - don't make her life a misery.

2. The best food for a CKD cat is what he will eat fromTanya's Pages https://www.felinecrf.org/ a really excellent resource for all carers of cats living with any stage of renal failure right to the end.

Above all else enjoy the time you have and don't make a diagnosis the start of never-ending rounds of vet visits and desperate anxiety and trying every known food under the sun. Quality of life is what counts. Do what you reasonably can but don't let it become everything. Perhaps with Fortekor my first cat might have lived to 17 or 18 not 16 but I guarantee she loved her life and really at that time anything past 12 was a bonus. I get to treasure the most amazing memories, and she doesn't know the difference. All she knew was that she felt great and when she didn't feel great any more her life ended peacefully at home in my arms, loved to her last breath and beyond.

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Re: Kidney disease and diet

Post by Lilith » Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:03 pm

Mollycat wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:21 pm
Above all else enjoy the time you have and don't make a diagnosis the start of never-ending rounds of vet visits and desperate anxiety and trying every known food under the sun. Quality of life is what counts. Do what you reasonably can but don't let it become everything. Perhaps with Fortekor my first cat might have lived to 17 or 18 not 16 but I guarantee she loved her life and really at that time anything past 12 was a bonus. I get to treasure the most amazing memories, and she doesn't know the difference. All she knew was that she felt great and when she didn't feel great any more her life ended peacefully at home in my arms, loved to her last breath and beyond.
I agree wholeheartedly :)

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Re: Kidney disease and diet

Post by Veteran mom » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:04 am

risotto wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:12 pm
I took Toby to the vet as he's become fussy with food and drinking a lot more. Vet has taken bloods and it's his kidneys. She has given him some Royal Canin renal pouches and I can buy them online cheaper if I want. His sister had Royal Canin for something else, eat about 14 pouches and wouldn't touch it again, so I'm nervous - also, thinking about the cost. I just want to know what others options I have - what other wet renal products can I try? If he won't eat renal food, are there any ordinary wet cat foods that may be a little better for him? I've been giving him a little milk, cat milk, cat treats, anything I can get down him over the last month if he's starved himself for hours - can he have any of these or other similar treats to get something down him? Can he have cooked chicken? Also, I gave him a tiny amount of my omelette which got his appetite going the other day Can he have any form of egg? I now fear some of the foods I've been giving so he would eat are causing more harm than good.

I know I've asked loads of questions, so please only answer what anyone can or if you have any general comments that would be great.

Cats and dogs with renal failure actually NEED protein. Vets are just trying to make money off of prescription renal diets. Lack of protein causes wasting. Put your cat or dog on high blood pressure meds and sub Q fluids.

Home pet makes a great anti nausea drop and the miracle drop is Kidney Support Gold.

My cat is 21 and has been proving all the vets wrong for years. Go with your gut and make sure they eat and drink lots of clean fresh spring water.

.The Vet doesn't care about your pet. They care about money. Get 3 different opinions when your cat or dog has ckd.

I know what I'm talking about. I've lost 3 babies to kidney disease and I've learned the hard way how to treat a pet with kidney disease.

Cats and dogs with ckd can live happily for years even after being diagnosed at 19 or 20.

Never give up !!!

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Re: Kidney disease and diet

Post by Tinsie Mom » Thu May 16, 2019 9:33 am

Hello! I'm so sorry to hear about your cat's CKD. I'm not a vet, but I am hoping that my experience with my own CKD cat will maybe help your cat start putting back on some weight.

Once I found out my cat has CKD, I put her strictly on CKD prescription foods. I literally tried EVERY flavor of CKD food from Royal Canin and Science Diet. I tried getting her to eat, but it was really difficult to get her to love and eat much of the foods. (Except for one discontinued flavor of course) She ended up losing 2.5 lbs, from 10lb to 7.5lbs. I could feel all her bones, she was lethargic, and her hair wasn't as soft and shiny. I felt so guilty about forcing her to eat these foods and causing her to drop weight fast....I brought her to the vet to figure out why she wasn't eating and her blood results didn't show any change in her stage 2 CKD (which btw her BUN and Creative levels were just slightly worse than the normal range).

I then went on a mission to find her ANY canned or dried food she would eat to get her to gain the weight back. It's shown that cats under 8 lbs have a statistically significant lower survival weight and was terrified. I started accepting that maybe she only had a year max. She ended up liking canned fancy feast and purina renal (not prescription) and gained back around half a pound. However with these foods came chronic diarrhea, which I initially chalked up to her CKD.

Note: I would DEFINITELY not feed my cat Fancy Feast EVER again. EVERYTIME she ate Fancy Feast she would reliably get the runs.

After realizing that the diarrhea wasn't going away with Fancy Feast, I have since switched her over to chicken thigh/drumstick + 1/2 cup dried Solid Gold brand food. Miraculously she's much better now after having eaten this diet around 1-2months. She's gained back much of her energy and weight back! I'm shocked and delighted. I include the dry food because I do not mix additional calcium or any other supplements into the chicken.

I don't know if this is the best diet in the long run, but I highly recommend pan frying some chicken to see if your cat will take to it in the short term.

At this point, I've given up on prescription diets, canned foods, fancy cooked or raw foods you can purchase at the pet store. I only feed panfried/airfried chicken and dry food for now and she is doing so much better! I find that she doesn't care much for the boiled chicken, but she loves pan fried chicken. I don't use any oil or spices.

My vet also made a bit of a deal about not making her stick with the kidney diets, but I found they did much more harm than help in my cat's case.

Another member stated that the best food for your cat is what they will eat (and also hopefully not vomit or diarrhea up). It seems to be working better than the other methods I have tried.

Btw my cat 18 going on 19 :)

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Re: Kidney disease and diet

Post by Mollycat » Thu May 16, 2019 11:10 am

As Tanya's Pages says, the best food for your CKD cat is a food they will eat.

My Boo unfortunately is now in symptomatic management of chronic Dire Rear which takes proirity over everything else. He is peeing more so I know it's doing his kidneys no good but something he won't eat or something that gives him the runs and has him back at the vets every fortnight is even worse. Every cat is different, and we have reached the stage where unless he responds to steroids there is not much more we can do for him. He is dearly loved and spoilt (not with food but with love, cuddles and sleep) and one day he will be sorely missed.

It's lovely to hear success stories with chronic illness and different solutions are really helpful to share though. That's where forums like this are so valuable for other ideas than the vet.

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Re: Kidney disease and diet

Post by TailLove » Thu May 16, 2019 5:28 pm

Risotto I'm so sorry to hear that your fur baby have been struggling with Kidney disease <3

It can be scary when it feels like you don't have a lot of power to help your feline friend feel better. My recommendation would be to ensure that your cat is also drinking filtered water. The mineral content in tap water can sometimes wreak havoc on the fragile kidney and urinary systems of cats.

All the best <3

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