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what to feed found kitten? Emergancy!

Post by needhelpfast » Thu May 21, 2020 5:24 am

So i found a playful little kitten stuck in my basement window and she couldn't get out. I know the mom runs around here every evening so i thought i would just help the little guy out of the hole and wait till evening. Kids ran around all afternoon letting it chase them. well evening has come and gone with no sign of mom. mom normally has no issue coming within 2 feet of us. we did sit inside tho watching for mom threw our cameras this evening. Now i fear this little one may not have a mom anymore. with nothing for cats what can i feed it just till a store opens tomorrow? We have no animal shelters here and the only place that takes cats is the police who literally just lets them go somewhere outside of town. This little guy looks to young to make it on her own. Very small but can climb and play. What can i feed it or do for it?

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Post by Kay » Thu May 21, 2020 10:05 am

any ground up meat or fish with water added is your best emergency bet until you can buy kitten food or kitten milk

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Post by fjm » Thu May 21, 2020 11:46 am

Cooked meat or fish if you have it, as Kay suggests. Cooked egg is another possibility. Think animal protein, as little processed as possible and with no added salt, and you won't go far wrong.

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Post by needhelpfast » Thu May 21, 2020 5:00 pm

Thanks guys. I waited a hour after posting and just gave her some cooked meat. She eat a little bit. Stores are open now so went and got some actual kitten food. Looks like we will raise her till she is old enough to make it on her own. Really wish i had found mom. There is probably more kittens around somewhere with no mom now. :cry:

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Post by Kay » Thu May 21, 2020 8:42 pm

let's hope any other kittens find someone as caring as you to look out for them

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Post by needhelpfast » Fri May 22, 2020 6:03 am

Kay wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 8:42 pm
let's hope any other kittens find someone as caring as you to look out for them
Well they did! I found them all this afternoon. 3 other kittens and the mom. I trapped the mom and picked up the kittens. Now i have mom i know where they can be safe together. A place without holes to fall in lol Poor kitten don't know if she wants us or mom now. She keeps going back and forth. Sad because i know she needs mom so she must stay with mom for awhile longer.

A few years ago we found some kittens and thinking the mom would be back i didn't think much of it. Well a week later i noticed the mom come limping back only to find her kittens dead. I went threw my cameras and seen the mom didn't come back for that hole week. I don't want to see that again. I guess i better read up more on kittens if this is going to keep happening.

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Post by fjm » Fri May 22, 2020 7:20 am

If you can trap the Mum and get her spayed she will have a much better chance of survival, as will the kittens if they are neutered as soon as they are old enough. If you socialise them to humans while they are young you may even be able to find them homes, perhaps as barn cats, where they will get a bit of extra care. Meanwhile prepare to be adopted by the first baby you found!

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Post by needhelpfast » Sat May 23, 2020 5:11 am

fjm wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 7:20 am
If you can trap the Mum and get her spayed she will have a much better chance of survival, as will the kittens if they are neutered as soon as they are old enough. If you socialise them to humans while they are young you may even be able to find them homes, perhaps as barn cats, where they will get a bit of extra care. Meanwhile prepare to be adopted by the first baby you found!
IDK about neutering any of them. I wouldn't mind more cats around. They get rid of the mice. I had setup a old camper at our future home way out in the middle of no were and have stuck other family's of cats there to avoid the fate of randomly dumped somewhere. I have a neighbor go over and put food and water in the camper every day for the last couple of years. I setup a camera there a couple months ago and found the last family have moved out. They are still around but don't go to the camper anymore. Dang ground quarrels are getting the food lol I think that will work for a home. Plus they will be near us very soon again. Our little friend will be close but still live free as nature intended. I never liked locking animals in cages or houses. I would totally take the kitten on if needed till old enough to be adopted. Probably at such a young age being raised by humans it would never know how to survive running free? So i would assume that would of doomed her to be a house cat? But with mom that is not needed. Mom can teach her. I have a son allergic to cats so keeping a inside cat wouldn't work forever. We would make it work to save a kittens life but not forever. If he wasn't allergic i might of just let them all in the house. Mom seems pretty ok with us. Has not let us pet her yet but she don't get upset with us being around anymore and does not jump away or even flinch when i open there cage to give them food and water. I was hoping to get them out there today but that didn't work. Tomorrow for sure. I can't stand seeing them stuck in a cage. They all look very healthy and happy. Other then being stuck in a cage. :cry:

I'm use to dogs needing a home. Last few years and the cats has been a change. Dogs no one is allergic to. I guess i need to learn cats better. Never thought i would have to worry about helping any cats. I have never seeked out a pet but keep ending up with them haha. Lots of dogs over the years a few other odd critters even a rat once! Yea i took care of a domesticated rat once haha I grew up with snakes, alligators, crooks, rabbits, lizards, tranchulas. We had a hole basement full! Never any cats tho. I just want to see them stay alive. :D

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Post by fjm » Sat May 23, 2020 7:06 am

Once neutered they can still be outdoor cats, or even happier indoor/outdoor cats, free to sleep on a warm bed and come and go hunting at will. But they will be at much less risk of serious illness, and the females will not become kitten producing machines. One family of cats is manageable, but can quickly increase exponentially, with females starting to breed from 6 months and producing several litters a year, which in turn breed even more babies, although over 50% of feral kittens die in the first few months, and those that survive to adulthood have an average lifespan of only a few years. A cared for cat - even one that is free to come and go as it pleases - can live a healthy life into its late teens.

It isn't really a choice between feral and caged - more between offering a long and pleasant life or one that is "nasty, brutish and short". It may mean 24 hours in a cage before and after the neutering, but that is balanced by many extra years roaming the woods and lying in the sun.

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Post by Mollycat » Sat May 23, 2020 10:26 am

You'd be surprised how quickly you can be overrun with inbred cats. Say 4 per litter, every year, 2 of them females, and each one of those has 4 per litter every year, and each cat lives 10 years, by the time the sweet little kitten you didn't want to neuter reaches the end of her natural life you have 2,000 cats and that's if they only have 2 females each per year. You might want to think carefully about this "natural" idea.

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Post by Ruth B » Sat May 23, 2020 7:05 pm

Thank you for taking care of the kitten and then the rest of her family.

However I want to add my voice to those that are asking you to please consider getting the mother, and the kittens when they are old enough, spayed and neutered. As has been said, a female cat can have 2 to 3 litters of kittens a year, while 4 kittens do seem to be about average, there will be larger litters and in those some are destined to die just because it is too many for the mother to care for. While the mother is away looking for food the kittens are vulnerable to predators, or the she might be killed by a predator or something else, leaving the kittens to die of starvation, if something else doesn't kill them first.

A female cat can get pregnant at 4 months and be giving birth at 6 months, at that age giving birth could kill her, or if she did survive there is a good chance she would reject the kittens, I've heard it happening too often in rescues where a very young cat gives birth and then just abandons the kittens, she was just too young for her maternal instincts to kick in. Even in adult cats, giving birth is a danger and many will die during it.

Male cats don't fair any better, their instinct is to fight to breed. This leads many to end up with injuries, which might mean they can't hunt or even get to a source of food someone provides for them. Even if the injury itself isn't that bad, can easily get infected and become an abscess, extremely painful and possibly life threatening by itself.

An unneutered feral cat will be lucky to live to 10 years old, a neutered/spayed one can live for many more years, even longer if they are looked after. It obviously hurt you to realise you had left those other kittens to die, by not neutering and spaying you will be causing the death of many more kittens even if you don't get to see them.

As for keeping rodents down, a neutered or spayed cat is just as efficient, as my own neutered lad proves, in the 5 years we have had him he has brought us numerous mice, a few birds and 4 rats, and we live in the suburbs of a city.

I'm sorry to have been so graphic, but the life of an un-neutered or un-spayed cat is not a long and happy one.

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Post by needhelpfast » Wed May 27, 2020 3:56 am

Idk about it all. Mother nature takes care of herself. Yes kittens die in the wild as mother natures way. Sure i care animals survive but messing with mother nature is tricky. In town man made structure killing animals i get involved clearly. Out in the wild away from most people is a bit different i think. Its not like there has never been cats out there before. In fact there is already at least 5 other grown cats running around out there i know of. Has been for years! Long before i was born and with family history dating back into the 1800s in the same area there has never been a over whelming number of cats out there. In fact it seems to be going down. I was talking to grandma about wild cats her mom and dad had out there the other day. I would say a couple hundred years of wild cats roaming out there is a sign it wont get that bad adding a family or 2. Sure it sounds bad a predator eats a cat but that is what cats do to mice. It is the cycle of life. In the city with no predators sure i see cats overwhelming in a hurry. We have larger predators roaming out there. Probably why cats have never overwhelmed the area. Not to mention all the cats the surrounding towns dump off out there. Not much i can do about inbreeding tho. There are other cats around for them not to imbreed. What do you expect me to do trap them all nurture them all and 10-15 years from now have no cats? Just because these can't breed surly the at least 5 others i have seen can. Probably many more.

I am starting to regret talking about this any more then just the original question. Everyone has there opinion i guess. Mine is let things be if it is not humans fault. Mother nature takes care of herself. Animals naturally get hurt get eaten or who knows freeze to death? It don't bother me that mother nature does what she does. She must be smarter then us. Do you save deer, coyotes, bunnies, and all other animals out in nature then nurture them to? Why does cats have such a issue surviving without humans help? I bet we did nothing at all a few hundred years ago...... Either way it will be what it will be. If i am wrong then i guess i will have to deal with it at that time.

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Post by needhelpfast » Wed May 27, 2020 4:56 am

Lets try explaining it this way. What if another life form come and picked up you and your family nutured you and your family forced you to eat only healthy food and protected you from everything? That means no driving cars that could kill you. No pets because a pet could kill you. No seeing nature another animal might kill you. No fast food that is not healthy just to give you the longest life you can possibly have?. Or would you rather live a shorter life free to do and eat what you want? Sure if you was a baby and had no one to teach you how to live free being captive is a bit better and happier. But if you only knew what freedom was and how to survive because you was raised by someone of your own species who teaches you what you need to know. I don't want to be captive or held from making possibly life threatening decisions. I want to be free and if being free means i get eaten by a mountain lion so be it. If my kids grow up and make a bad decision wreck a car and die so be it. They decided and i did what i could to teach them. I will be very sad, upset, hurt, probably cry a lot but will i believe keeping them captive so they could live 100 years would of been better? NO! And i wouldn't nuture them because they could possibly inbreed. :roll: I sure hope that wouldn't happen. gross. Freedom is the happiest thing i think any living thing could have! No matter the out come.

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Post by fjm » Wed May 27, 2020 7:08 am

I do understand where you are coming from. I suppose the big difference is that you see the cats as wild and part of the local eco-system, which they may well have become where you live, whereas for most of us they are domesticated or feral, in which case they are an introduced predatory species with all the risks that brings. I consider that my cats have pretty much the best of both worlds - raised by their mothers till they were weaned and capable, but well-socialised with humans as well. They were vaccinated against painful and life-threatening diseases, get health care when they need it, are fed fresh food regularly, are free to roam and hunt over hundreds of acres of fields and woods, have access to the house to come and go as they please with warm fleeces on the radiator and my bed to sleep on. The benefits of domestication are many, and for them at least, the downsides very few. They live in both worlds, hearth and wild wood, and slip seamlessly between the two at will.

I hope the kitten continues to thrive?

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