Still can’t find food cat will eat!

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Still can’t find food cat will eat!

Post by Raych1975 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:38 pm

Well some of you may know my cat has triaditis and is meabt to be onelimination diet. Long story short but she just doesn’t like any of the food she is meant to have. I have tried hydrolised, single novel protein, applaws, cannagan, u name it nope!!
Vet agreed to let her have what she used to just so she enjoys some food which was gourmet pate/melting hearts etc. Reluctantly given her some but although she ate a bit, she now won’t touch it!
I am at a loss of what to do for her. She wont eat fresh food, am not doing raw and she is and other cat have gone soooo fussy.
I think i’m just venting as i just don’t know what else to try! She literally stands and looks at me,miaows, prowls bowls but wont eat!
At this rate i’d even try felix!! Never have given it, just saying!

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Post by Felis-Felidae » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:43 pm

Goodness, vent away! I can only imagine how exhausted you are.

Will she absolutely refuse all food for an entire day or (and pardon me if this is a stupid question) will she deign to touch food she's refused before once she gets hungry enough and your eyes aren't on her?

Because I have one cat who pretends she doesn't like anything I serve if I'm watching her eat it. I've since learned to leave out her food at night or when I'm in my study.

That way she can continue to stand on her high horse and pretend she wasn't willing to lower herself enough to eat whatever sorry offering the idiot hooman gave her. lol

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Post by Raych1975 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:08 pm

Cats are just so cunning and clever lol
Hmmm tricky to answer as i get that desperate for them both to eat, especially the poorly one, its been known that literally stand there with various wet food open just stood in despair praying they eat! Which clearly wont help! I’m sure i’m slowly losing my marbles!!!
I sometimes leave wet down overnight and sometimes bits get eaten but it goes hard and yukky if not fresh.

I just tried a pouch from blink tonight, point blank refusal from both and they both looked at me, scratched aroound it as if it was their poo and ran out catflap!!!

I threw it in bin!

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Re: Still can’t find food cat will eat!

Post by Raych1975 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:11 pm

I think i need something very wet but not shredded or big chunks, possibly something in gravy or sauce? Any suggestions?

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Post by Mollycat » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:02 pm

"At this rate you'll even try Felix" - why not? Good as it looks is flakes which some cats who won't eat chunks will happily eat, you can add a little water and mush it up if needed. It's not a bad food, and has a higher protein content than most cheap and cheerful brands.

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Post by Raych1975 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:57 pm

Hi mollycat, i may have to try it if i just can’t get themto eat anything good quality.. even consultant Said tonight that it may well be she has to eat something like felix and stay on meds, far from ideal but he pointed out again that every cat is different and text book plans dont always work.
I have a cat sitter who has a few cats and they all get felix with minimal dry food and they are all in great health!! Is it really that bad a food?

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Post by Mollycat » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:29 am

Raych, I've been there, many of us have, agonising over the best nutrition and reading too much about the evils of dry and the terrible quality of supermarket brands, that all carbs are the work of the devil and how anything but raw amounts to slow murder.

A cat's natural lifespan is not much more than 12 years, in our care many of them now stay healthy well into their teens. 50 years ago they got scraps and nobody had ever heard of taurine and they got bones, raw or cooked. None of it was nutritionally balanced and yet somehow cats survived, as do the restaurant beggars all over Asia, Africa, the Middle East and the Mediterranean. What's more in the 9000 years cats have been our friends their gut has adapted to cooked food and more carbs than they would ever have seen in the wild. Prepared foods at least provide the minimum basic needs.

Beyond that, there are some differences in quality but the most important thing is something our companions will eat and that provides the basics they need and that doesn't make them ill or turn mealtimes into daily stressy battles.

It may be (or may not, nothing has been proved yet) that fish flavoured foods may be a factor in the very steep rise in hyperthyroidism; exclusively dry diets have been linked to obesity and diabetes as well as UTIs; and some cats don't tolerate dairy or grains. Raw feeding won't prevent kidney disease, dry food doesn't stop dental decay, and expensive food doesn't always mean better nutrition or health. Stress can trigger UTIs and lack of exercise (as in indoor cats) is a big factor in heart disease and diabetes.

I don't believe Felix is that bad, there are certainly a lot worse out there that cats can be healthy on their whole lives.

When it comes to cats with health issues, many do benefit from special diets, but not if they hate their food and everything about food becomes the subject of stress for us - cats pick up our emotional states and our stress is bad for them too. Feed them something decent and they may only lick off the jelly or gravy and probably not get balanced nutrition anyway. Focus on finding a food he will eat and that you can find readily and is affordable. It might not be helpful to him to keep changing his food, and as inflammation tends to be chronic he will likely experience flare-ups and periods of normality. Triaditis can even be a one-off, as nobody knows what really causes it or even which of the three organs sets it all off. Many of these chronic conditions, in cats as they are with us, are stress-related.

Don't turn food into a war zone or your full-time obsession. A happy home, cuddles and calm are the best place to start.

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Post by booktigger » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:15 am

Honestly, if you look at the ingredients, Felix and Gourmet arent that different, we just think Gourmet is due to the name and their marketing. If she likes Pate type, Felix do one called Meaty Loaf, which is pate type with chunks in pouches. Have you tried Mon Petit which seems different to Gourmet pouches?

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Post by fjm » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:04 am

When Poppy was really ill with acute liver failure in January she stopped eating - everything made her nauseous and she refused food she had been eating with gusto up to then. Once she began to feel better it got easier, but she still refused the prescribed hepatic diet which she associated with feeling queasy. My vet suggested feeding her some of the home-prepared oat and chicken diet she did enjoy, and offering the hepatic food next to it. A week later she was happily eating both, and has been eating canned-plus-chicken ever since. At this stage with your cat I agree with the others - if it is not outright toxic feed her whatever she will eat, and worry about improving the quality later. Once she gets the eating habit back it is easy to add a little high-quality protein, and she may even decide the vet-recommended food is edible after all.

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Post by Raych1975 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:00 pm

Thanks all, some very helpful comments and support.
I know gourmet is the same level as felix etc sorry i probably didn’t explain that bit well.
As she has been eating lots of grass and bringing it back up over the last week or so, vet has now told me to taper down the antacids (omeprazole) as sometimes they can cause nausea. I have to increase the steroids though ....

She has eaten a bit of hills zd dry that came last night and she is actually going to see consultant tomorrow as i still think there may be something going on in her mouth/tongue as keeps sticking tongue out when she does eat! I’ve been telling vets this since march!

I feel sorry for my other cat too, having to eat the hills zd too. Im debating getting microchip cat feeders so at least the well one can eat different food... been told they both can eat zd though.

I have calmed down a lot compared to a few weeks ago and omg to not have to pill her this morning was a true lovely feeling (would have been antacid)

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Post by Mollycat » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:47 pm

Microchip feeders are a godsend, I know it's a big outlay for two but we never looked back and would still always use it even if my now one cat was the only animal in the household (also have a dog). It helps keep the food fresh so it can be put down and left down all day even in the heat. Just be sure to write their names in indelible marker or attach a tag though, so you know which is which even when the removable coloured mats are removed, and always put them in the same position so the cats don't get confused. Lesson learned the hard way. I put them down the wrong way around. Inquisitive Molly eventually got into hers but poor Boo who was at the back of the queue when the brains were handed out just didn't eat until I realised what I'd done.

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Post by Raych1975 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:07 pm

Thanks for the tips mollycat, was it easy to train the cats to use them?
I think i will get the Sureflap hub one so i can see whats happening when i’m not working at home anymore.

Your post earlier really helped, thank you. You have said some things that are so honest and good points, especially regarding they may just lick gravy jelly off good food but leave the rest, so not getting the nutrition.

Both cats are sat next to me on either side curled up snoring away!

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Post by Mollycat » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:14 pm

Very easy to teach. they have staged settings so the cats can get used to the noise it makes gradually. Clever but nervous Molly got it in hours and cool but thick Boo took a little longer to understand what he needed to do but I'm pretty sure it was all done in a day, maybe two but I think one. First you leave it open and give treats so they get used to putting their head inside the hoop and to programme the chip. Then the next stage it makes a short sound but doesn't move. Then it closes a tiny bit, then halfway, then all the way. You can set how long it stays open after they take their head out.

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Post by Raych1975 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:38 am

They should be arriving today...
so i had interesting consultant appointment yesterday... couldn’t find anything going on in her mouth/tongue to explain the wierd tongue thing does, it could be in her head as she did have an ulcer on tongue which would have been sore but now healed. However i asked if they would pill her for me to give me a day off. They couldn’t!!! He said they had two people one being top consultant! He said if she was half as bad at home to what they saw, he now gets why i been struggling!! I’m sure they thought i was exaggerating! I got them in her in treats last night . Collected the liquid steroid whilst i was there...

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Post by fjm » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:44 am

I had a similar experience many, many years ago when I was in my teens and took my siamese to our very supercilious vet. I have told the story before on here, I know. The vet prescribed antibiotics, and I asked him to show me the best way to administer them as we found it so very difficult to get pills into her. Certainly, he said with odious condescension, you simply hold the cat like this, and the pill so, and... There was a sort of explosion, the pill was in one corner of the surgery, the cat in another, and the vet was sucking a long gash on one thumb. He suggested we went back to swathing her in a towel!

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Post by Mollycat » Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:19 am

Thank goodness, isn't it great when they finally understand your struggles!! They seem to forget that some cats are much easier to treat in a strange place that isn't home, some of course the opposite, but they seem to think unless the cat is spitting hissing growling and lashing out then everything must be fine. And they don't take into account the damage to a trusting relationship either.

Fjm ... I hadn't read your story before, brilliant!

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Post by booktigger » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:01 pm

I temember taking one cat for a checkup on the last day of a course of abs, I turned up with a bandaged finger as she'd bitten me the day before, I asked the vet to do the final tablet, she looked at my hand, checked the cat and decided she could cope without it! She was a fantastic vet and appreciated awkward cats.

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Post by Raych1975 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:11 pm

Oh brilliant stories!
Certainly agree with not ruining a trusting relationship!
I just found an entire omaprazole pill in spare bedroom on floor, it wasn’t there yesterday! I reckon she has a technique of bringing them back up! I wouldn't be surprised if i find a whole bottle full equivalent somewhere!
Oh she has put on 300 grammes 😃

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Post by booktigger » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:25 pm

Lucy has to have a tablet once a week that requires 5ml of water stringing after it, she is very good at spitting the tablet out after 3ml! I have to hug her for 5 mins between tablet and water to prevent her bringing it back!

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Post by Kay » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:55 pm

your stories remind me of when I took Tiffany for a blood test, and insisted she would have to be sedated, if not anaethetized - the vet was very dubious but agreed to my request

when I collected Tiffany later that day she admitted as soon as she opened the carrier she was totally convinced!!

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Post by Mollycat » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:40 pm

Hiding things - my Misha used to love peas, one day she devoured a bowl of rice peas and sweetcorn. For days after we kept finding little heaps of rice in every corner of the house! Only the rice.

Tablets - my Sarah thought wormers were treats and would eat them as offered then look at us hoping there might be more.

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Post by Raych1975 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:20 pm

Maybe misha had a ‘grain’ intolerance!
These stories make me chuckle and really helps knowing it not just me with difficulties with my gorgeous girl

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Post by fjm » Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:56 am

Tilly now has "minimal restraint" on her vet record.,, Vet who did not know her took her off for blood teats, agreeably surprised at how easy she was to handle, and came back looking slightly startled. Seems she was fine till they tried to restrain her, when all hell let loose, but accepted the needle with no problem when asked nicely! I could have told them that the trick is to have chicken on offer.

Raych - I got some strange soups for cats as a freebie with Tilly's renal food recently. They are made by Cosma, and are a complementary food. Pippin tried one and licked the bowl clean. They are fairly limited ingredients, so may be safe to try as a topper on a more complete food - Zooplus stocks them: https://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/cats/can ... gLOhfD_BwE

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Post by Mollycat » Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:53 am

That's interesting about Tilly. Molly is similar though she doesn't struggle or fight she is just slippery as a mackerel. As far as I'm concerned she is non-handling, as in I won't do anything to her that she won't let me do willingly, but at the vets she appears calm and lets them do anything out of sheer terror. But open the carrier and let her sit in the bottom of it and she will take an injection without being held at all. So it's being held that makes her panic, which actually makes sense for her as I believe the issues in her past come from being forcibly cuddled. It was 4 years before I was able to put both hands on her at once but we achieved it gently.

Same with the dog, incidentally. For 7 years he had to be dragged from under the table to have a bath or a tick or thorn removed. Now I call him and he comes to the bathroom on his own 4 feet for a bath and anything in his feet when we're out on a walk he limps over to me and sits quietly asking me to remove it.

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Post by Raych1975 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:41 am

Thanks for link for cosma soups fjm, so i could try them in addition to the dry hills zd she is sort of eating? Do u think they better than gourmet wet even though they are complete but full of sugar etc?

Of note they are both now eating more of the savoury cake gourmet and wont touch the pate or melting heart ones! So it looks like their texture adversion may be getting slightly better.

Ahh poor Molly!, i now understand why you won’t do anything handling wise to undo all the hard work you have put in.

Last omeprazole attempt was epic fail, she spat first one out, tried again, thought she swallowed it, put some water in but uh oh nope, she had it in side of mouth, holding it si then we ended up in blue mush everywhere! Will try again later!

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Post by fjm » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:41 pm

The soup ingredients look OK, but ridiculously tiny amount for the price - they do seem to smell and taste good to cats though, so may help to encourage them to eat other food. I can remember how chemotherapy made roast chicken smell to me like rotten meat, while pine toilet cleaner impregnated the whole house with a nauseating stench, so much so that I still can't use it a dozen years later - I often wonder if illness affects our animals' senses in the same way.

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Post by Mollycat » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:02 pm

fjm wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:41 pm
I often wonder if illness affects our animals' senses in the same way.
Whenever Boo got a bit dehydrated I would give them both tuna water. After Boo died, Molly wouldn't touch it. Now it's been nearly a year and she takes a few laps and walks away. She loved it so much but I'm sure she associates it with illness now.

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Post by Raych1975 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:23 pm

They must associate flavours/textures/smells with illness as they are so sensitive

Well honey has definitely mastered the art of making out she swallowed pills to then spit them out later! Little madam.

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Post by JulieJulie » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:08 pm

Hello

I so feel your pain with getting a reluctant cat to eat.

I have a 19 year old. She survived a dental at 18 but still wasn't great for a few months, so was having ongoing antibiotic injections and there was a lot of vomiting. i was really at my wits end. I think we tried nearly every cat food in every shop. You mentioned you won't try raw, but I've had success with that (minced beef and turkey/chicken) over the years with some of my cats. I know there are risks, and it's important to worm the cats regularly.

I don't know anything about your cats condition but I suspect my cat has stomach issues. She was on ranitidine for a while to help stop the suspected nausea and vomiting but that gave her diareah. I even syringe fed her for a while. We suspect some sort of underlying issue but she's too old to be subjected to any more tests so we treat the symptoms now. She's been on prokolin long term aswell now for her tummy.

The turning point for us - after MANY months of agony trying to get her to eat - came when she started on Fortekor - she just started eating then. I think she must have just felt better somehow and it is a stimulant. She is also taking frusol. Both are for her heart. She now favours pate foods such as highlife chicken or fish, gourmet melting hearts (sometimes) and FELIX AGAIL. But the one thing she really will eat properly is a foil of supermarket own brand pate. I guess its full of rubbish and very strong but at this point, she can have whatever she needs. She will also eat raw (human) foods when she's in the mood. She is skinny as anything and I have to feed her every 4-6 hours (including during the night - try doing that for 9 months!) but having just lost my youngest cat, I would do anything for any of my cats.

I have another cat who is supposed to be on a renal diet - no way was she eating that so I've had to resign myself to her eating the KD bix (which she tolerates and are ok for the others aswell) and then she has Felix. Just don't go near Whiskas - that really is rubbish. Butchers classic is oddly the one we get the least issues with, followed by Felix AGAIL.

Regarding giving my elderly girl tablets - forget it. No way I am putting her through that stress so I got a pill crusher. She has it hidden in her Prokolin (this is a real labour of love which I gladly do.) Her frusol is liquid (they put her on tablets but I found out i could get a liquid so get this on pet px from Boots.)

I put the prokolin into a 5ml syringe (cut the end down a bit so the powder doesn't clog it up) with the crushed Fortekor and squirt into her mouth, upwards towards the roof of her mouth so as to ensure it doesn't go down the wrong way. Sometimes the paw comes up so I get a bit of kitchen roll and hold under her chin. I have never needed to further restrain her but she's not a strong cat now - except in spirit.

Sounds like your cat make not like being held so this may not work, but it's been a godsend for us to have liquid and crushed meds instead of trying to give pills.

The other thing I do is to weigh her - baby scales off Amazon - that way I know if she's sneaking a snack overnight and it's not the others. However, she now has me well trained. She likes me to sit with her when she eats (even at 4am). I still regularly open 3 foods before she decides what to eat.

Good luck. It's so hard when they won't eat, but keep at it, you obviously adore your cats.

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Post by Raych1975 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:30 pm

Hi juliejulie
Thank you for taking the time to put a reply. I’m sorry you have had similar issues and certainly sounds you are doing everything for your cats.
My cat has triaditis, so inflamed intestines, liver and pancreas. Probably triggered by diet as unbeknown to me, she well both cats have never had a variety of food as i always believed not to change food as upset tums . Plus vet has never ever said at any yearly boosters to change food. Its possible she has become intolerant to something in food. It may also not be, it could just be one of those things.
Consultant is not keen to go down raw route for a fair while and i’m not a fan but its something to have at back of mind...
Consultant has now said to just give her anything to get her to eat. She still has some gourmet terrine, she gone off pate and melting hearts. I tried her with a teaspoon of butchers and she did eat it but omg it looks n smells vile!!! It a huge tin of 400g so waste of food and money as they both eat so little. I kind of panicked thinking butchers was going to be worse than gourmet so binned the tin!! Have got more left lol
I am lucky in that she is ok being held re pills she just either rarely opens mouth or if she does has mastered how to put tongue in way and hold pills and swallow without swallowing it!
I don't want to tempt fate but used the liquid steroid tonight for first time,its like a gel type liquid and flavoured chicken. It actually went ok, i did it bit by bit and she kind of licked all around the syringe and was quite calm. Wonder how long that will last?!?
But as mollycat says and u, relationship with cat is more important.
I keep looking at felix in shop and nearly keep buying it but i keep hoping she and the other, will eat really good stuff! Cant see it now, nearly 9yrs old and only ever had one type of naff food as a treat so i am sure they only want naff stuff and they picky on that too!!
Oh i’ve been there too, on kitchen floor while they eat with opened cat food.

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